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returntothepit >> discuss >> Has black metal become "twee"? by Conservationist on Nov 5,2009 7:17am
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toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Nov 5,2009 7:17am

In American English it often refers to a type of simple sweet pop music, but in British English it is used much more widely for things that are nauseatingly cute or precious. It comes from the way the word sweet sounds when said in baby talk.

Someone who is adorably sweet almost too sweet, sometimes hippie like. It's also a spin-off from the indie style they like being unique but not "in your face unique."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twee


For all its bluster about being evil, black metal after the Norwegians is the exact opposite.

The genre welcomes any newcomer, and will immediately immerse them in a world where everyone is unique if they use the right combination of trite blasphemous cliches.

It's the only place where you can scream "I want to kill everyone and everything" and get a group hug.

You can also take Garage Band, four chords and a fifteenth-rate imitation of the truth, pop out a demo, and quickly have people calling you a genius.

Even with the imagery of violence and hatred, black metal is very sweet. The black metal Nazis don't mind if you're black, as long as you want to be a black metal Nazi.

Black metallers don't even care if you want to listen to black metal, as long as you're cool with it, they're cool with you.

It's like a big emo community, dedicated to making Satan cute and the apocalypse amusing.

But no one has yet dared use the word "twee" in public to describe it.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Nov 5,2009 7:21am
yes. yes it has.



toggletoggle post by MikeOv at Nov 5,2009 7:24am
Black Metal is for faggots.



toggletoggle post by ThirdKnuckle  at Nov 5,2009 7:36am
<<You can also take Garage Band, four chords and a fifteenth-rate imitation of the truth, pop out a demo, and quickly have people calling you a genius.>>

same goes for DM, Hip Hop, Hardcore, you name it



toggletoggle post by aril at Nov 5,2009 8:10am
ThirdKnuckle said[orig][quote]
<<You can also take Garage Band, four chords and a fifteenth-rate imitation of the truth, pop out a demo, and quickly have people calling you a genius.>>

hence why I prefer tracking programs from the 90s and despise all newer programs like garage band, fruity loops, reason etc.

same goes for DM, Hip Hop, Hardcore, you name it



toggletoggle post by aril at Nov 5,2009 8:15am
^err my post is in there somewhere.


most black metal is a joke now and has been for a long time. And the black metal crowd are generally idiotic toolbags that think they're oh-so-evil because their favorite band worships "Satan" - yea black metal is twee. Black metal ist twee, rather.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Nov 5,2009 9:49am
Internet metal commentary hour!

why do people insist on looking at music as something more than it is?

every type of art has a scene and this forum shows that. metal is a joke but you all listen to it. there is no movement behind music genres anymore.

whether or not someone has a trve appreciation of it doesn't matter to me. i'm not on some black metal crusade, what goes on in metal outside of my band room, as long as i can still go to shows and see good bands, what the fuck do i care? violence and hatred toward what? i worship absolutely nothing. not metal, not a scene, not satan, nothing. metal is an escape, it is art, nothing more.

or we could attach rules to metal, that always works. that way we can define individuals by a scene they're attached to.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Nov 5,2009 10:03am
conversely you can form a mental picture of one's personality by knowing what types of art they appreciate. but that is only your perception, and it doesn't reach very far.

i can't wait to be twee and drink good beer and watch some good local black metal tonight. i'll be sure to give out dual handjobs under images of satan and the apocalypse.



toggletoggle post by aril at Nov 5,2009 10:08am
arktouros said[orig][quote]
. there is no movement behind music genres anymore.


true. and it's somewhat sad. Is music and art dead?



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Nov 5,2009 10:09am
arktouros said[orig][quote]

metal is an escape, it is art, nothing more.



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Nov 5,2009 10:13am
Go home, faggot



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Nov 5,2009 10:16am
arktouros said[orig][quote]
what goes on in metal outside of my band room, as long as i can still go to shows and see good bands, what the fuck do i care?


Didn't they used to call this attitude "bourgeois"?

:0



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Nov 5,2009 10:21am
as much as we all want to go out and burn hipsters Connie, i just don't care that much. not important to me.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Nov 5,2009 10:23am
and this is not revolutionary france dude. fuck off.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Nov 5,2009 10:29am
aril said[orig][quote]
arktouros said[orig][quote]
. there is no movement behind music genres anymore.


true. and it's somewhat sad. Is music and art dead?


i dunno, is it dead jim? i still find things that speak to me.

we're overloaded with everything around us being instantaneous. when art is gone, people will appreciate it then i guess.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Nov 5,2009 10:31am
its only that much more challenging to make music that transcends the current status quo of bullshit. i welcome this challenge.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Nov 5,2009 10:32am
i just stick to everything made pre-9/11. there are a few good things scattered throughout the last decade, but i'll stick to my pre-9/11 world.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Nov 5,2009 10:33am
^you are a beautiful man tom.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Nov 5,2009 10:34am
9/11 didn't happen



toggletoggle post by Martins   at Nov 5,2009 11:18am
What the fuck is twee?



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Nov 5,2009 1:17pm
Martins said[orig][quote]
What the fuck is twee?


Good question. Here's the best source I found:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twee

tl;dr: cuteness, smug hip sweetness, ironic anime-style self-love.



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